Right now the fediverse is nipping at the heels of the silos.

They know we are here, and they perceive us as a threat. We know this from leaked emails from facebook.

That said, they could attack us in an oblique manner with any number of poisoned waterhole attacks.

Earlier today someone predicted one or more of those platforms just integrate activitypub and crush us by incorporating us.

Another pointed at the potential for procedurally generated instances that just harvest data, or overwhelm our ability to suspend all of the instances they throw up.

When these attacks are adapted to... they'll get concerned, and will try to frame us as part of "the dark web(tm)"...

That's how we'll know we're winning.


I'm interested in brainstorming immune system defenses

beyond our strength as actually real people who can tell the difference between fake and person, usually pretty obvious


I am interested in this as well.

I feel like some sort of new instance registry may be necessary if we see these sorts of co-opting efforts occurring...

Like a low speed probationary period or something...

@TheGibson @Food
For one, whitelisting needs to be more of the norm, and people are going to have to be selective about who they federate with anyways even among normal instances.


@mirzaba @thegibson @Food The most elegant solution I saw someone propose (can't remember who though :s) was to auto-block instances hosting more than N users to force decentralisation –and avoid the fate of emails.

But the problem is that we already have too big instances like mastodon.social or pawoo.net. So maybe we're doomed.

Also, if you have a link or source regarding those leaked Facebook emails about federation I'd be interested.

@rick_777 @lertsenem @mirzaba @thegibson @Food How should a new instance establish itself if it can’t federate without first being on a whitelist?

@duck57 @rick_777 @lertsenem @mirzaba @Food

a problem...

After some thought... maybe the natural way an instance slowly federates is enough to make it un-economical to abuse.

but I feel like this could be scriptomatically overcome by selective high value follows...

@duck57 @rick_777 @lertsenem @TheGibson @Food
much like a user would look for an invite or apply to an instance, people in said up and coming instances would take it to themselves to make a case for federating with their instance. Or show their ToS or something to ensure they mean business with moderation

@mirzaba @rick_777 @lertsenem @thegibson @Food Maybe the default is muted by default: new instances can follower whomever they like (so long as the account they want to follow isn’t on a strict whitelist instance) but manual approval is necessary for posts and replies from the new instance to reach existing instances.

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